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Who was the Older Brother - Rael or John?!

2/16/2014

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I just discovered your site and am loving it so far! 

I'm so glad there are people who've done some dedicated research on this artistic world I've loved since childhood (I'm on the young end for early Genesis fans, and idolize TMB because it lets me travel back in time and experience what I never could have otherwise).

I've had a quick question about the Lamb that, looking at this site, I realized you could probably answer if anyone could. 
Is there any evidence to tell whether Rael or John is the older brother? I've always kind of assumed Rael was younger, just based on personality, but I could be completely wrong about that. 
I could see it working both ways. I'd be really curious to know. 

Thanks!  Holly


Hi, dear Holly!


It's so good to hear from not only a "young" lover of the Lamb...but, another woman (who loves this work, as much as I do)!
This is very heartening to me...as I feel this is an incredibly significant, romantic work for both men AND women, to enjoy together.  ;-)


Ok, to try to give you my best guess as to Peter's mind (when he was conceiving of the original idea of his alter-ego of Rael), based on my lengthy research.
Firstly, Peter  (nor any other member of Genesis) has ever intoned the age difference of John and Rael - in any interview I've ever read or heard.
As you know, Peter envisioned The Lamb to be a tale of self-discovery...a journey to the depth's of one's soul & back, in order to bring into focus the meaning of our respective existence, in this world.
Having entered into a life's fascination with Jungian Theory/Psychoanalysis of the various facets (dark and light) of ourselves, as human beings, Gabriel set out to do, in his words, a sort of "Pilgrim's Progress".
A Hero's Journey of the Self:  which John (the "good/enlightened" version of Rael)  and Rael (his "unenlightened/dark" side) - represent the split personalities of the Soul of this single, half-Puerto Rican street gang member.


Who would be considered "older" - I'm not sure if that actually applies?
But, let's postulate that Rael actually DID have an older brother named John (in the real world, outside the surrealistic underground, post-Fly-on-the-Windshield apocalyptic Wall sweeping through NYC, that Rael exists in - during the telling of the Lamb).
Peter had no brothers....only a younger sister ( Anne )...so, no familial reference, there.
Steve Hackett DOES have a brother named John, though....but, that John is younger than both Steve and Peter (he is a wondrously gift musicians, as well, by the way.  Amazing flute-player)!


So, it could go either way, I suppose -but,  if you want to take it further than the original premise that John/Rael are actually 2 sides of the same being =  no age difference, at all.


Does this help with your (very intriguing) question, Holly?


What does everyone else think?  We are open to other opinions, here, at LileighWhite.com...especially, this being the 40th Anniversary year of The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway!!  ;-)


All my best...and "High Five's" to all you women Lamb-lovers, out there, too!


xoxo, Lil

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Greg
2/3/2023 01:35:17 pm

I've been listening to this masterpiece for more than 30 years now, and I have to admit that the idea of two sides of the sme being makes perfect sense to me for Rael John coexistence.

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